A lot of people are trying to be wierd and argue about ulfric and other stuff here so let me be plain with you guys.

I am NOT discussing ulfric here, only bringing up the argument i hear sometimes about him being judged. I am mostly talking about why the dragonborn isnt judged for using the Thu’um. Thats it 🤦‍♂️

The Thu’um is the Dragonborn’s birthright, so saying that he must follow the teachings of someone who was not born from a dragon would technically be heresy against Akatosh

It’s pronounced thoo-umm

Ulfric also used the voice in a duel where they agreed he couldn’t.
Its like stabbing someone in a boxing match and claiming you won.
Thats why most of skyrim doesn’t think Ulfric deserves to be king, he entire claim was because he cheated in a duel and then started a civil war because he disagreed with a democratic vote

“as they see fit”

I just thought of what paarthunaax said: ‘to a dragon a battle and a debate are one and the same’

I’m just saying that I, personally, wouldn’t be the guy to stand in front of the youngest child of akatosh and possibly the shezarrine and tell him not to use his birthright. Same thing with pelinal, it’s better for everyone if you just avoid the guy.

Because the Greybeards swore an oath of direct noninvolvement; or at least that’s the paraphrased version plus their lack of direct action.

Well…if I remember correctly, Arngeir explains to you if you ask him. It’s not that they are forbbiden to use the voice to fight, they can if it’s absolutly necessary (at least for the Grey-beards, idk for other nords), it’s just that they consider fighting as one of the least important uses of the voice and prefer not to do so unless forced to…but they could…

Because we’re DragonBorn.

It’s not that ulfric wasn’t allowed to use shouts in combat at all, it’s just that he dishonored himself by using shouts in what’s supposed to be a purely melee combat.

if the thu’m wasn’t a weapon, then why is it so damn good as one.

Akatosh a real one for that

I feel like I’ve seen a video on this but do we know where the dragonborn would go when they die because in Skyrim you can become the champion of every daedric prince but then doesn’t every race have their own place that they go when they die but we’re also gifted The voice akatosh but also can’t we become followers of a deity like Talos

Why? Because who gonna stop him?

“allowed” uhm. I’d like anyone short of a dragon to try and stop me.

I just assumed it was a “who’s gonna stop him? Situation

Virgin imperials: “noooo you can’t just use the shout in combat because… you just can’t ok?!!?!? Magic is perfectly fine and normal though because reasons!!!”

Chad Ulfric, rightful high king of Skyrim: “Fus Roh Dah goes brrrr”

Oh I always just figured it was a “Thats OUR word, Uflric can say it with a soft A” kinda deal

I thought the controversy with Ulfric’s Thu’um was specifically in regards to his Deul with High King Torig?

Classic Akatosh W

You gonna stop him?

Jurgen’s also a fucking dumbass because he thought “we should only use the voice for spiritual needs” after losing A WAR FOR THE HEART OF SHOR TO RESTORE HIM.

This is definitely an interesting way of explaining it, and definitely seems most in line with the lore. I just wish that the grand sage amid grand sages’ only explanation for it wasn’t a handwavey Nardwuar style “Well, you’re the Dragonborn!”

It made it feel like it was literally just for gameplay reasons and they couldn’t be bothered to explain it another way. It also made the greybeards look like morons which only got worse the more you talked to or dealt with them and they never adequately explain their beliefs and insistence in nonviolence. Being so ungodly vague when they had EVERY reason to explain themselves in exhaustive detail to the person they recognize as likely to be one of the most pivotal figures in history.

*quick saves*
*sends Lydia off a cliff with Thu’um*

Basically: graybeards study the voice to worship Kyne and are about peace and Ulfric betrayed that.

The Dragonborn is a demigod sent by Akatosh for the sole purpose of doing war against the dragons, alduin and anyone getting in their way.

Dragonborn has souls of a dragon, not human. And violence and lust for power is natural to dragons are Paarthurnax says. So it’s logical.

I mean the dragon born is basically skyrim jesus who’s gonna say what he can or can’t do

Ulfric was trained to use the thume it wasn’t natural and ulfric cannot absorb dragon souls he is not dragonborn he just trains

I think we’re missing a big point in why he can use shouts in a fight, who tf is gonna tell him otherwise 😂

Or maybe its because WHO’S GONNA STOP THE DRAGONBORN? This mf killed Alduin, you think my ass, who took an arrow to the knee, can stop this restoration looping sociopath?

Bro, I keep seeing stuff like this and it’s making me want to play Skyrim for the seventh time😂😂

The greybeards when you steal their bread : Ice Form shout

Using the thum in a duel is like throwing dynamite at a baby. People don’t look fondly apon that

Its because the dragonborn isnt technically human, his soul is that of a dragon in human form therefore not subject to human laws, not to mention are u gonna tell a dragonborn that can use a thu’um to tear u to pieces “hey u cant do that mr dragonborn its not nice and we dont agree to u using your thu’um that way” lol no! You would mind your own damn business to keep your souls INSIDE of your bodies LOL puny humans hahaha jk jk 😂

Hey, I got a serious question to ask all Skyrim fans. How come the greybeards use the thuum against the dragonborn if threatened? Aren’t they betraying their masters ways of using the voice? Also how come ulfric can use the thuum? He isn’t dragonborn, and isn’t part of the greybeards. He also can’t use any other shout Other than unrelenting force.

Didnt Jurgen windcaller come up with that to cope for his huge loss in battle that one time?😂😂 “I lost?! I must be a sign that the thuum ahoukd only be used to praise the divines!”

It’s because if they try arresting me ima sick dragons on their asses and beat them to a pulp 𖠋

Wait, you’re telling me there’s a good story just spoken to me in the game?!?!??? Why didn’t someone tell me sooner 🤬🤬 I made it to level 56 and 79 (79 still ongoing) and never Once listened to Any sort of dialogue

Ulfric is completely justified in using the voice the gray beards are just stinky.

I mean who’s gonna stop him

Homestly anyone can use the Voice as a weapon. The Way of the Voice, a specific doctrine followed by the Greybeards, prohibits it but if you don’t follow the Way of the Voice then whatever. A better question is why the Greybeard allow others to violate their doctrine.

The dragonborn gets a pass because a god bestowed him his gift and mortals don’t (or shouldn’t) really get a say in this.

Jurgen shouted down his opponents and I always assumed this meant he killed them. Maybe its been such a long time that the Greybeards assumed no one would go against them or maybe with the return of the dragons their leader diesn’t care. Also entirely possible they don’t know, no a lot of visitors up there.

Not the last, the previous dragonborne. A dragonborne is born in great times of need.

Ulfric was wrong to use it against the high king though. Ulfric was a war veteran, and everyone said the high king was no warrior. Using the voice was just overkill

I raised the question who’s going to stop him are the greybeards going to come down and try to stop him from using it I doubt it what’s the worst they could do borrow you from entering rothgar you can still learn the shouts and find them without their help oh and they’ll only keep you from entering until you need help defeating alderman and then you’re going to get clear sky again the last unrelenting force word so even if they kick you out they’re going to let you back in to go up the mountain so yeah not really anybody to enforce that rule not when it comes to the dragonborn

I compare the different uses of the Thu’um to the difference between a craftsman’s or builder’s hammer to a warhammer.

The Greybeards are like craftsmen who use hammers for peaceful reasons. The Dragonborn is like a soldier who uses a warhammer in combat. Ulfric committed first-degree murder with a meat mallet.

There’s also the theory that the last dragonborn is an avatar of Akatosh

Making me wanna 0pay sum skyrim b

I think it was in regards to the challenge as I believe you are supposed to use only weapons and not magic or any other thing other than weapons. Some considered the Voice magic.

For those arguing about Ulfric :

– He got banned by the most respected group in all of Skyrim : the Greybeards.

– High-King Torygg in Sovnguard actually says “I faced him fearlessly – my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained – can Ulfric say the same?” showing that it was indeed a duel but Ulfric used dirty tactics to gain the upperhand. (Unrightfull use of the Voice)

– In the Thalmor Embassy you can find a document showing that Ulfric is a dormant agent of the Aldmeri Dominion.

Basically : Ulfric is the worst example of use of the Voice AND choice of leader in the war.

Cause who the hell is gonna stop him?

The way I always looked at it is that the thuum cannot be used to conquer. However the dragonborn is not a conqueror but a guardian and a protector. This he may use it as he defends Skyrim and her people from their many enemies.

the dragon born got a dragon soul, the thu’um is their language as much as it is the one of dragon’s

they can do whatever they want with it as much as we can say as much slurs as we want

Plus the Dragonborn isn’t a mortal, he or she is technicly a dragon in a humaoid body.

Honestly I always thought I wasn’t allowed to use it to fight and I was just getting away with it bc I only ever used it to kill bandits or dragons, etc when no one else was around. Thanks for enlightening me!

No they fought with and so did windcaller but they got beat he went to the snow throat and basically became a philosopher of the voice and it was his idea that the nords should only use the voice for defense and to study it

Im sorry who’s going to judge the dragon born the grey beards lol jurgen the dead guy get real

because who’s going to tell him no?

Let me ask you, WHO IS GOING TO STOP THE DRAGONBORN?? Eh??

well Dragonborn was never the follower of the way of the voice. Even if the monks at the High Hrothgar forbid the Dragonborn to use the Thu’um, what they gonna do? The Dragonborn learnt it without any teacher. Dragonborn is not *allowed* to do so. No one can forbid the Dragonborn to breathe

I’ve already committed mass genocide theft and arson I dont think this counts now

Asking the Dragonborn to not shout is the same as asking a dragon not to shout.

Because he never learned the way of the voice, and he is literally a dragon

That is bull shit, you’re telling me kyne let soul tear and fear fly but ulfric pushing some people over is wrong?

For lore I was wondering between oblivion and Skyrim my question is that the last true emperor if I remember correctly has the blood of dragon or something which made the amulet of king glow which in turn made him king but how come the Dragonborn it’s doesn’t happen

Why is the ebony warrior allowed to as well?

Because stop him

Ulfric’s use was wrong because it was cheap to use it on his one on one with Torygg, its like if you got in a mutual fist fight with someone and you pull out a gun. Ulfric probably thought he would lose in a fair fight, so he resorted to using the voice. Very cheap

Because he’s above that rule he isn’t just a mortal his soul is that of a dragon wild and untamable

Let’s be real here we all forget about shouts in skyrim and end up jot using them 7nless a dragon won’t land and keeps running away to heal

The dragonborn is the only exception not only because their ability to shout is from akatosh but also because they are dovahkin aka a dragons soul in a human’s body meaning when the fight they are literally speaking their native tongue

Yep. The dragon born is just technically considered a dragon when it comes to using the thu’um

Oh wow. How many hundreds of hours have I pumped into Skyrim, and I never knew they weren’t supposed to use the Thu’um.

I don’t think where he got his thu’um from matters, lore wise everyone steps aside and lets him go through fighting the dragons and slaying them.
On top of that he consolidated so much power that not even the most powerful faction the Dominion stood a chance.
The Dragonborns political influence is literally a web of thieves, assassins, the most highly regarded warriors, the most respected vampire slayers, extremely powerful and focused mages, literal gods, the emperor and rebel leader both noped out of a fight with him.
Not to mention he resurrects the blades and personally trains and leads them, he befriends several dragons.
He gains the favour of the most mysterious and powerful order of mages in Tamriel.
Like come on… Who is gonna stop this mad lad?
The man is literally untouchable, all they can do is sit back and watch him Gus Roh Dah their chickens and watch the absolute dumbest Whiterun guard who has a bad knee from an arrow accident try to arrest the most powerful mortal to ever exist in Tamriel.

It’s simple. The Thu’um is the birthright of the children of Akatosh which was gifted to man by Kyne

The last dragonborn is not a mortal but a dragon in the shell of a mortal.

You can come to learn that The term Dragon doesn’t just mean large flying elemental reptile in this lore , but is also simply a name for the children of akatosh

They embrace the Thu’um as a part of their mortal faith in the way the one that granted it to them wishes, they will not deny a child of akatosh their birthright to practice their Thu’um for him

i love that skyrim is one of the few games in which you quite literally are a god. i never quick save bc i know i’m going to run through everyone lol

“Waaaaah! I get called out when I used the Thu’um but you get praised?!”

“You meerly use the Thu’um as some half assed second language, I was given permission by the man who invented it, we are not the same half-bitch, half-troll Nord”

The answer is basically, because I’m the Dragonborn bitch

Ulfric did nothing wrong

Some other things to consider are what Delphine says after you visit Sky Haven Temple.

Delphine says they’re scared of power, and that’s sort of true. Jurgen, after the Battle of Red Mountain, felt that Nords had grown arrogant and become like the very dragons they had fought against, misusing the Thu’um for conquest. That’s why he founded the Greybeards, preaching peace and using the Voice for worship and not power. It is their Way of the Voice specifically that says that the Thu’um shouldn’t be used for combat, though it stated that in times of great need, they will use it. They see the Thu’um as a gift, but not one to be abused.

The main thing to consider is that the Greybeards are a cult, a religious sect that was made up of the last few Nords that could use Shouts. Jurgen fought the others and swallowed their Shouts until they were exhausted, thus showing them his power and leading them to see his new Way of the Voice as correct. So now the Greybeards are pretty well the only ones that know how to use the Voice. And if the only people that know how to use such a power all believe in peace and refuse to teach that power to others, it’s kind of hard for anyone to use that power differently. That’s part of the reason you differ, as well as Ulfric. Ulfric initially dedicated himself to the Way of the Voice, but turned his back on it, feeling the Voice should be used for other purposes. And the Dragonborn is able to Shout without the Greybeards teaching them.

Part of the reason they help the Dragonborn and don’t hold them to their beliefs is because the Dragonborn received their gift directly from Akatosh, from one of the gods, and they see it as a gift that should not be ignored. And the Dragonborn’s usage of it would be the reason why Akatosh gave that gift. So fulfilling whatever purpose Akatosh has for them is the Dragonborn’s way of following the Way of the Voice. But that’s also why they keep warning the Dragonborn to not abuse the power and to consider the possibility it was not granted to defeat Alduin.

All in all, the reason the Voice can be used by the Dragonborn for whatever purpose they want is simply because the Dragonborn is not a Greybeard, and it’s only the Greybeards that are not to use the Thu’um for combat. If someone else learned to use the Thu’um without being a Greybeard (leaving like Ulfric did, learning from Ulfric, learning from the Dragonborn, learning in a way similar to how the first Tongues did, being taught by Kyne or one of the other Divines or even a Daedric Prince), they also would not be bound by that same requirement. But since only Dragonborn are born with that inherent ability, and the only other non-Greybeard to know how to use it is Ulfric, that’s unlikely to happen.

Let me guess someone stole your sweet roll

jurhen windcaller just had a philosophy and taught people it should not be used in combat.
he did not create the power, how the power is used by others is not up to him unless they chose to follow his teachings.

like religion, idgaf about Ramadan or lent if I’m not Islamic or Christian, does not effect me or anyone else who does not subscribe to that belief system

Anyone can use the Thu’um. But only the Dragonborn can consume the essence of a dragon and ultimately kill it.

The dragon born isn’t a greybeard nor is he from skyrim he’s also born with the dragon blood so Jurgen can’t tell him shit

Why? He’s literally the prophesied anointed by Akatosh sent to save the world. Besides anyone dumb enough to step up to the dovahkiin to lecture him about anything deserves what they get. He’s killed the first Dragonborn, slayed Alduin (the literal destroyer of worlds) and either joined or destroyed the vampires.

How about i turn up the radio? Do you like AM or Thu’um?

Ulfric learned the language the dragon born always had but didn’t know

The explanation from the greybeards gave me the understanding that since the power has been gifted in such a way that it is meant to be used that way. The Dragonborn is given the ability to use for power, unlike a normal mortal given the ability for worship.

I clicked on this thinking it was about the Ulfric Vs. Torygg fight lol. Ulfric was way more out of line using the thuum in an honor duel than against random people in battle. Its not very Nordy to use a weapon your opponent can’t use or defend against. Otherwise why even bother learning the thuum, Ulfric may as well have summoned a dremora to fight torygg for him.

Because who’s gonna stop me

Basically every RPG gives the main protagonist some unfair fighting advantage. Even Link has the ability to loot people’s houses without getting arrested, except for those few times he did get in trouble.

Simply skill issue

With the soul of a dragon, a Dragonborn is literally a child of Akatosh born in a mortal body and sent into the world with a purpose. Like the first Dragonborns who fought the dragons or Tiber Septim who conquered and united Tamriel, Dragonborns are created to be warriors that play a pivotal role in history.

Unlike followers of the Way of the Voice, who choose to devote their lives to learning the voice as a form of worship. A normal mortal learning from the Greybeards in bad faith just to turn around and use those teachings for conquest is a perversion of Kyne’s gift to mankind, at least according to Jurgen Windcaller’s teachings, whereas a Dragonborn is born with the ability courtesy of Akatosh, and meant to make full use of that natural ability just as dragons do.

cause he can do all things through Akatosh
Cyrodillics 4:13

Smfh y’all need help: the thu’um is a language both physical, magical, and spiritual. That’s why you hear them reference “studying with the greybeards” in regards to how Ulfric learned to shout in the first place. The way of the voice is not only their credo but their very philosophy as the greybeards spent their entire lives studying various Thu’umu and practicing their usage much like IRL monks practice various forms of martial arts. Humans used to be versed in thu’um…back when they were living under Draconic tyranny; a skill that obviously faded as Dragons sank into myth. The Dragonborn, unlike Ulfric and the greybeards, is born with the innate ability to shout due to their draconian bloodline. The db isn’t beholden to their laws because expecting such would essentially castrate their greater destiny of defeating Alduin. Imagine the db being born in the specific time of Alduin’s return, and their only role was to eat berries in the mountains with monks while a god-like dragon reconquer’s Tamriel? Yeah sheogorath’s pen is all over that story 😂

Bruh, High Hrothgar be using that voice on you the second you try anything.

And also THE DRAGONBORN NEEDS TO USE IT TO SAVE THE WORLD!!!!

There are records of other nord warriors using it to break down gates during sieges

Miraak 👀

The dragon born has the blood of dragons. So learns a shout by absorbing it from a slain enemy. So it’s hereditary.
Humanity learnt to shout to fight dragons. So they could be free from dragons. So fighting was the first need and use.
Why jurgen windcaller went soft who Know’s?

But lets face it, if he hadn’t then the Greybeard wouldn’t be around to teach the Dragon born.

Cheers Bob. 🙂

you dont know what you’re talking about

Because it’s just imperial propoganda and normally fine

Well also the dragonborn did use it to cheat. The daul that started the civil was and a rule to not use the voice. But bitch made got butt hurt that he lost and used it.

What are they gonna do against the gragonborn😂

I’ll give my thoughts without watching the shot:

The problem with how the ancient Nords used the Thu’um is they did so disdainfully to conquer, harm, for the sake of power and superiority. That specific usage doesn’t not bring honor to the Aedra.

You can use the Thu’um to fight just fine, but do it so if you were wronged first, to deliver Justice to the defilers, not to start wars.

Following the Way of the Voice like the Greybeards, doesn’t mean you can’t use the Thu’um offensively. That means your PRIMARY concern is to seek the best balance by meditation.

To make it simple
A normal nord who doesn’t have a dragon soul or dragon blood should only use the voice if needed
The Dragonborn who essentially is a dragon in a human body can use the Thu’um as if they were a normal dragon

Ya he shouldn’t be allowed to use it! Call that guy who can stop him!

Weird opinions : your dragonborn powers arent thu’um or absorb the soul of dragons the true power is the save option akatosh is the god of time after all ..
You are the real emperor all your saves are corrupted before the game starts
Alduin cares about you more than anyone else he saves you from death but you’re an ungrateful monkey

There is one school that thinks you should do it this way? Why do some people all over the world (who are not part of this school) do it differently?

I’m not *allowed* to use my thu’um, I used my thu’um because i wanted to and nobody can do shit about it

the dragon born doesn’t use their shouts to conquer they are a peacemaker

The Voice was given as a weapon against Dragons
Using it as a weapon isn’t the problem, using it for personal gain is. And Ulfric, whether right or wrong, believes he’s dojng this for his people and Talos.

Simple answer:

Rules dont apply on all Dragonborns.

I always like to believe that wtf are they gonna do about it 😂 like are they gonna tell the dragon born he cant use the 50 plus shouts he knows to win battles, good luck with that lol

Basically a group of stupid people came together to make people weaker than them weaker that they could control, never let a cultist tell you what to do or everyone pays their bill.

And they immediately throw that philosophy out the window if you attack them.

Basically everyone else is borrowing the voice while the Dovakiin isn’t, everyone else needs permission to shout and even more to use it in combat while the Dovakiin doesn’t and can use it however they want because it’s innate to them, unlike everyone else who receives their ability to shout from Kyne and using it in a way that disrespects Kyne is shunned

Why?

We have a soul of a dragon, not man. Screw the rules.

I mean it’s an RPG, we can to some pretty bas things. Steal, assassinate, a lot of bad stuff. Who’s to say we can’t be a bit evil with this too

Ig thats another reason for mento join imperials dude wont even respect tradition. Even talos wouldnt deem that acceptable

The Thu’um isn’t supposed to be used for combat. How does an argument between dragons end?

bro if it invented for worship and not fighting, why like 90% of the shouts made for combat

I think it’s also about birthright and all that, but I don’t know.

Because I am above the laws and judgment of others?

Also who going to stop me if I dont

He is definitely talking about cliff beats lol

ufric used it in a battle to determine leadership of the land..

Also let’s be honest, who is going to stop them

There’s also the fact that even if anyone took offense to me using shouts to kill, what are they gonna do about it?

Sure, but would this explanation convince the common man? I doubt it. I choose to believe the reason is because he’s just above laws and traditions, being a hero of legend come alive. It would be like if the second coming of Christ happened, and we judged him for not celebrating Easter with colored eggs and Easter baskets.

Ik this isn’t about ulfric but imma talk about him anyways

If I remember my Skyrim law ulfric basically challenged the high king to a dual to prove he couldn’t defend himself like a true king but he killed the high king by shouting him to death it wasn’t even a honourable fight no normal person can defend them selfs Against the shout

It would be like having a boxing match and they one guy uses a gun to win 😅

Some of the people of Skyrim where disturbed by this because it was not honourable and was basically a execution

The imperials call it murder but in reality it was a dual that is apart of the culture

Well, the Dragonborn IS a dragon in a mortal vessel.

Like, you said. They are gifted by Akatosh. More than that, as a dragon they are more or less the child of Akatosh.

The greybeard Say IT to us ! We (dragonborn) can use it the way we want cause it’s a gift from the gods

Nords were gifted the voice to combat the dragons, not for worship. The way of the voice was created by windcaller after the war. The reason the dragon born learns it faster is because of the dragons blood. He can learn and use it as a dragon rather than a person. To use shoots as a normal person you must understand each words meaning and intent which takes time. As dragonborn you learn the words and absorb the knowledge from the dragons you kill. Hence why the dragonborn can use it faster than anyone.and only the greybeards follow the way of the voice and that following says it should not be used to as a weapon against the people as it was gifted so the Nordstrom could fight off the dragons. Nothing actually prevents one from learning it and using it in combat since the only ones that look down on it is the gray beards. The reasons why ulfric was frowned upon were different. Since the imperial called it murder but the stormcloaks say he challenged him to a proper duel and ulfric won.

Technically speaking the DB is not entirely human. You know what im saying?
If you talk to parth he says we are basically alike and from the same “father” Akatosh.

It’s not a matter of being allowed as much as it is about being able to learn from anyone other than the gray beards and thus not being bound to the stupid oath and philosophy of the gray beards to not use an obvious weapons gifted to mankind by a war goddess to fight to defend themselves. Also, they have no authority over a dragon demigod, or those Draugr, or those Dragons.

so this video was so wrong its not even funny.
so the way of the voice was invented by parthunax and jurgen just mastered it first so they a human, not a dragon, could take the credit, after all its the language of dragons. anyways point is the greybeards are idoits, the reason every nord could shout was because they were all thought to, many already spoke the dragons language because they were all servants to the dragons. anyways parthanax is a war criminal who doesn’t want to pay or make up for his crimes and the greybeards withheld the secrets of the magic cuz they are stupid cowards that are scared of magic like every single nord is. who knows maybe the greybeards doomed the world by not teaching people how to use the voice to fight.
the reason ulfrick was wrong for using the voice is it was suppose to be a 1v1 no magics or potions and he used a shout that paralyzed a kid then stabbed him to death, he did not rightfully win the throne to sum up he went: I am too much of a crappy fighter and I am super scared of this kid so I am going to cheat and murder him

Because the dragonborn isn’t beholden to the same oath that ulfric would have been to learn the Thu’um the greybeards say so themselves I believe

Well I mean one guy is fighting a petty civil war the other one was designed to fight against the literal DESTROYER OF WORLDS

In otherwords, the Greybeards are technically an optional sidequest.

Also the dragon born hold every daedric weapon, is a werewolf vampire hybrid and dropkicks dragons regularly so he does not give 2 shits about rules.

I don’t think it has anything to do with being “allowed” and everything to do with “who the fuck is going to stop you”

It wasn’t that it was illegal or immoral to use the thuum in combat, it was that ulfric used it in a DUEL which is supposed to have both of the fighters on even footing so using the thuum in that case is dishonorable and dirty.

Its clearly stated in spoken dialouge by the greybeards that the dragonborn isnt bound by the same rules as other people, i have zero clue why some people actually dont know why the dragonborn can use the voice for anything they want. So since ulfric aint dragonborn and he learned how to use the voice from the greybeards hes bound by the rules about it being wrong to use the voice in combat and wont ever be welcomed back to the greybeards as he broke a major rule of theirs.

It’s literally a dragonborns gift to use their voice for good, good doesn’t mean not in combat. Also the last dragonborns destiny was to ‘destroy’ Alduin, you can’t tinker with destiny in the ESU universe.

Allowed?

Yeah I figured it was due to having the soul of a dragon

“Yelling in a fight is illegal” 🤓

“Why is the dragonborn allowed to use the thu’um to fight” has the same stupid energy as “Why are these guards allowed to use swords to fight”

Not every user of the thuum has to be a follower of Jurgen Windcaller. Sure ulfric studied under the greybeards but he also left or was expelled from the order so he no longer has allegence to them or their ways. I dont thinks its wrong for him to use his might just like its not wrong for the dragonborn

BECAUSE HES THE MOTHERFUCKING DRSGON BORN DUH HES GOT DRAGON BLOOD IN HIM

….draugr can use the thu’um as a weapon, so it never crossed my mind this was a thing. seems like full of shit.

The dragonborn was given the thu’um with the purpose to fight so he is allowed to use it without it being seen as dishonorable

Cause the dragonborn is a dragon and is not held back by the ideals of insects

The Dragonborn, as the name suggest, is a form of Dragon-kin and is thus inherently able to use the Thu’um without additional training. They “only” need a trigger to awaken this ability, though even that may not be necessary.
Ulfric on the other hand, like all other non-Dragonborn Thu’um wielders required training to learn to use it.

Or as the Geybeards, at some point say, they simply cannot prevent the Dragonborn form learning the Dragonlanguage and achieving more power. A Dragonborn is simply beyond their control.

And we know that the Dragonborn CAN increase their power without consuming Dragonsouls, as the Greybeards shared their knowledge with the last Dragonborn. Consuming Dragonsouls to increase their power may just be the fastest to do so.

And also the most Dragon-like way.

because the last dragonborn is literally a dragon in a mortal body, mortal rules don’t apply to him

I like to think of it the way the Dragonborn would say it: “I’m the Dragonborn, what are you gonna do? Stop me?”

For the same reason khajit use their claws. It’s part of the package.

It is because the dragonborn is different he isn’t a mortal who trained years to use the thu’um but a dovah in the body of a mortal so useing the thu’um is a birth right so they are exempt as dragonborns are beings of legend.

Bro I have the blood of the dragon telling me not to speak my natural tongue is an insult to my heritage. You think you can stop me from talking good luck m8.

Also if the Nords still practiced the voice for combat reasons, the Empire more then likely would have won the Great War outright, instead of having to settling for a draw, and therefore the Skyrim Civil war wouldn’t be happening. However if it wasn’t for Jurgan Windcallers philosophy, the graybeards wouldn’t exist to help the Dragonborn defeat Alduin and the world would have ended.

Because who’s gonna stop me😈

Main character?

Always wondered who was the second last Dragon born? Like we kind of met one of the firsts ones and Mirak

Technically all nords can still shout. Just look at their racial.

Not gonna lie the way I’ve always looked at it is he is dragonborn, blood of dragon or something and is therefore a dragon doing what it does, having a deadly debate with other dragons.

Like people could tell the chosen one what he can do or not …

Heck yea skyrim

Oh yeah they’re not allowed to use the shout in combat, but I hit one greybeard I’m fucking Frozen and thrown off the mountain

I definitely watched Ulfric use the thuum during the seige of solitude lol

He has the blessing of the greybeard to use it. Plus Ulfric was looked down upon because he challenged the high king in single combat, using the thum as an unfare advantage.

Cause it’s bad ass to shout at a bunch of bandits and the kick the shit out of them

allowed to use the the voice(thumm) to fight
me as the last dragonborn: fights with stealth, Bow or knife 😂😂😂😂😂

The voice is used as a tool by the dragonborn, a tool that can be useful in combat, but a tool, at least that is how i view the DB’s use of it

Sorry Lydia, akatosh said it’s okay to yeet you

Nobody told ulfric that.

Only, Kyne gave Men voices specifically to fight off their dragon overlords, so technically she _did_ give Men their voices so that they could fight. Mind you, Kyle is a Warrior Goddess in the Nordic pantheon.

Because IT’S FUN

Simple. We don’t strictly follow the way of the voice

Dragonborn in full dragon plate: who’s going to stop me from using it anyway?

So it all comes down to the fact that akatosh is the more based god.

But why do the greybeards use it when the dragonborn attacks them?

So you’re telling me that Ulfric is a blasphemer AND a war criminal? Dang

I could feel that fus ro dah even though I can’t hear it

Ulfric uses it on a thirteen year old boy in his home as a guest. Many rules of etiquette broken – the thuum is overkill

Using the thuum is justified when trying to save the world. Ulfric using a whole ass dragon shout against a guy who wasn’t even much of a warrior, is very dishonorable.

The Greybeards are pussies and Ulfric should train an army in the Thuum to defend against the Thalmor

it’s more that Ulfric used it in single combat against the high king, making the fight unfair. that is why people are primarily critical of him, but when it came to him retaking the reach people seemed awe-inspired at him shouting the forsworn off the walls

Essentially the only ones who can’t use the Thu’um to fight are those who follow the way of the voice (The Greybeards). Anyone who learns shouts but doesn’t follow the greybeard’s philosophy isn’t forbidden from using shouts to fight. Ulfric being judged for it is more that people feel using the voice to usurp the throne was an abuse of power, not he was breaking some rule regarding the voice. The only people who believe the voice shouldn’t be used for fighting are the Greybeards and those who follow the greybeard’s philosophy of the way of the voice.

My explanation: I’ve been playing the same character on my Xbox 360 since 2015. I am God, have slain gods, and have such powerful gear that I am unkillable, even on Legendary

The Dragonborn can use the Thuum to fight, because he/she is a dragon. Who is gonna tell a Dragon “No”? Oblivion, even the Dedric Princes know not to tell the Dragonborn “No” lol.
They just give us some compensation so we dont raid their pocket of reality and wreck their metaphysical shit.
Oblivion, even normal mortals can mess with them and kill the consciousness of Princes. The Dedric Princes saw a normal mortal prison b*t*h kill Uncle Sheo, and banish Giggy with nothing but a sword, some basic spells, and colorful clothes. What would happen when a mortal with the power of Angelic beings decides he/she doesnt like what a Prince is doing? Yeah lol

Oh whoa that’s awesome. Love how much lore there is in this series. Probably couldn’t ever know it all lol

Man’s not played the game. The DB transcends the rule of the voice.

The Dragonborn didn’t kill a major political leader (outside of wartime) with it. The Dragonborn is a god. The Dragonborn is allowed to by the Graybeards.

Isn’t the dragons fire a thu um

DB is allowed to because he or she is the child of Akotosh and thus not bound by the Way of The Voice. Whereas Ulfric was trained with the Way of The Voice but defiled what the Way means by using it in combat.

So using the Voice in offensive combat is considered an insult to the Way. The Voice is already a part of the DB they just need to learn to utilize it.

Condemning DB for using the voice is literally telling a dragon to not speak their language. And also they’re the fucking Dragonborn so offending them may just end up with you being shouted apart. Mind you The DB is holding back in Skyrim.(Cooldowns on shouts) Canonically 1 Dragonborn can wipe an entire army off the map.

Also it takes YEARS for even the greybeards to learn new words properly.
We cheat by having a dragons soul and consuming other dragons souls.
But Ulfric had to study for years to learn his shouts.
He didn’t go for: Elemental weapon, become ethereal, start a fire, stop a fire or anything even remotely useful when he learned this fully intending to betray all his oaths on how to use the voice.
No he picked: TURN MY ENEMIES – INTO A MUTILATED PIECE – OF RED CHUNKY MIST!

Okay
1st: We are the DRAGONborn with the soul of a dragon. So we aren’t human.

2nd: if you go talk to him. Ulfric admits he exploited the rules of dueling to make the former high king battle him.

Then he calls him a weakling for not having the same magical powers Ulfric spent years conning out of the Greybeards.
And both his victim and his victims wife is adamant he evescerated the former high king with magic.
In a setting that wasn’t allowed. When he might not have even needed it. In an unnecessarily and unreasonably brutal manner.
If you CAN kill a person by stabbing him once, there’s really no need to explode him in a gore shower in front of his wife.

Because the dragon born fight in battle there is no rules…

Also his entire purpose is to destory alduin at all costs

“God said it was okay”

Wasn’t it explained a but differently in lore?
Wasn’t it explained as the soul of a dragon in the body of a humanoid. So not the gift of the Thu’um, but basically a dragon in a humanoid body. Only the most powerful dragons can absorb dragon souls, and of the dragons there are 2 types that can Alduin and Dragonborns. These 2 types are created directly by Akatosh for a special purpose, and are not like all of the other dragons. Even the other dragons recognize the dragonborn as a dovah.

So my point is the dragonborn isn’t gifted the voice, they are in fact just a special dragon.

And with Akatosh knowing of his folly in making an nigh indestructible dragon that absorbs souls and has free will, made a similar being that has a limited time being alive, that can be killed normally, and can live normally amongst his people, to stop his first creation and bring about peace.

And to further my point being dragonborn is also hereditary, queue the Septim bloodline. They are just humanoid dragons, that are as powerful as alduin but nerfed to be not as dangerous.

Tl;dr The Dragonborn has a different, cooler warlock patron than the other ones

As Arngeir says, “The Dragonborn is an exception to all the rules. The Dragon Blood itself is a gift of the gods. If we accept one gift, how can we deny the other? As Dragonborn, you have received the ability to Shout directly from Akatosh.”

In other words: You’re the only one who can kill Alduin, so all our knowledge and power is at your disposal to do with as you see fit.

It’s simple really.. you’re basically a dragon you’re not gonna tell a dragon to shut up now would you?

Because there’s a reason he exists

Tldr: the dragonborn is a priviledged baddass and you dont argue with him

Maybe it was maybeline, maybe she’s born with it

Real reason: just try to stop me

Also, Ulfric Stormcloak did the Skyrim equivalent of challenging someone to a fist fight and dropped a nuke on their head when they came to meet his challenge. So Ulfric was misusing The Voice in multiple ways.

It’s because the Dragonborn wasn’t trained by the greybeards, and he is a prophesied being sent by the gods. Ulfric was trained to do it, he wasn’t innately gifted by the gods. The Dragonborn is also not a political figure, and therefore has not taken any oathes according to the law of the land. The Dragonborn also hasn’t gone into the high court and blasted the king to death, something which many would take offence to.

The dragonborn canonically also isnt using tje voice to conquer in the traditional sense that Jurgen was doing, hes defending the world from Alduin

he is the only one, Dragonborn’s have been “extinct”, use what ever means to survive

The greybeards are hypocrites. They claim the thu’um must not be used to fight others. But the MOMENT you attack a greybeard, they IMMEDIATELY fuck your day up with the thu’um

or tldw, you are a literal demi god child of the god of gods in their pantheon. you do as you wish and anyone who doesnt like it can either shut up or die.😂

unless you stupid you arent going to shame a divine avatar/chosen one

Funny how people are trying to cancel ulfric lol

what happened is Ulfric challenged the High King to honorably ritual combat and then broke the rules. Ulfric cheating in a honor duel has nothing to do with the Dragonborn or the Thu’um.

Basically, the dragonborn was not given the thuum by kynareth, they were born with the ability to use it because of their dragon soul

It’s because we got the original

Why?
Because who’s gonna tell them they can’t lol

Because the Dragonborn isn’t a nord he’s a skooma addicted dark elf who thinks he’s khajiit.

There is no thuum for flight. Dragons had wings. I shouldn’t even be here commenting on this pushing this garbage into the algorithm

so basacly.
the voice taught in cofidence is was not shared for combat
the voice inherited by blood is free to conquer by right of said blood

You kinda aren’t. If you’re in or around a hold city and you use the thu’um, even against a dragon or using wuuld to run around like an asshat, the guards will still tell you to stop.

“Dad said it was okay, Mom”

Well lorewise Akatosh created Kyne to give humanity the power of the thu’um to defend themselfs against Alduin and to eventually defeat him. There are also lots of non-dragonborns who used it and still got to sovngarde, indicating that the gods don’t see this way of usage as blashpemous.
But that’s just my line of thoughts.

Yes. You can ask Arngeir about this and he will say the same exact stuff. Hell you have dragon blood in you, you aren’t a mere mortal , go wreck havok LDB 🔥

going off Nordic culture and tradition ulfric can use the thuum in a duel as back when the laws were made the thuum was as natural to nords as breathing it was part of there culture

Tiber Septim used the thuum too and he conquered all of Tamriel. It’s not that thuum can’t be used in violence, it is that violence is the least important use of it. The greybeards are monks who have dedicated their lives to worship and don’t engage in violence… unless you piss them off and they show you who’s boss!

Imagine not getting your thu’um from the god of dragons
Can’t be me

As a fan of roleplaying, I only use the Thu’um against dragons.

I mean who’s gonna stop him

teehee funni religion stuff

I’ve always thought about it like the last dragonborn is The Elder Scrolls’ equivalent of stuart little. Where stuart little is just a human child who has the exact anatomy of a rat, TLD is literally a dragon who just looks like and has the physical anatomy of whatever created character is made.

To be fair I don’t get much use unless it’s dragons or the dead, human enemies are typically easy

People are mad Ulfric used it in what was supposed to be an honorable duel against his king. Instead of going at it on an equal field, he blasted GOD MAGIC directly into his face until he scattered like dust in the wind.

Also the fact that Ulfric only knows how to use shout from learning with the greybeards, a pacifist monastic order, and his most (in)famous use of the voice was to declare rebellion by killing his king…..

Answer: Main character

Many people also forget a dragonborn is said to have been given the soul of a dragon by akatosh so in all ways but physically a dragon kinda is a dragon. Are you really gonna ask a dragon not to speak his own language?

“I’m stronger, I’m smarter, I’m better! I AM BETTER!”
– The Last Dragonborn

Didn’t they tackle that in the story? The Dragonborn is a special case as said by Arngeir. They also have to beat Alduin, destiny and whatnot, that’s why they’re giving the PC a crash course and special privileges and they’re not being forced to follow the Greybeard philosophy.

Also, Dragons use the Thu’um all the time as it’s their language, and they fight with it. Dragonborn is a dragon too, although partly. Jurgen Windcaller was different as he was “enlightened” by his defeat.

I wanna point out you can find an old generals journal tracking the progress of his seige on a dragonpreist’s barrow. And in it he says he requested reinforcements in the form of a voice user to break down their walls. And says that the young voice user successfully destroyed theur walls but took an arrow to the neck and died afterwards. Meaning that voice users were valubal assests in times of war, and certainly not universally Pacifists like the gray beards

Bro attack arngier see how quick they cut that peaceful bs

I’ll be real concise. It’s because jurgen windcaller was wrong. Words are words, and to say that words can’t be used to do anything but praise the gods is terrible practice, even if those words happen to be in another language (that happens to bend reality).

Would you want to stop him?

Kyne: I m giving it to you so you can defend yourself from dragons, my pal pharturnax here will be your teacher.
Pharturnax: yo
Jurgen: she says we only use it to worship her and never to fight.

the real reason is because no one is willing to try to tell him to stop after what the dragonborn did to that poor whiterun guard

Jurgen the coward sore loser, blaming his own failures on the Thu’um

Ulfric was chosen to be a grey beard and since the thu um is natural in the dragon born they didn’t need to make any oath to not use it for fighting. It’s more of ulfric broke a vow to not use it rather than like a physical reason why

Cause Papa Akatosh gave us the Thu’um Pass.

Well, while you are nominally studying the way of the voice… You are not a Grey Beard… You’re a prophesized hero. The way of the Voice tenets include not using the voice for violence unless abselutely necesary. The Grey Beards undertake an oath. Ulfric would’ve undertaken the same Oath. Meaning he not only broke the tenets, but he’s an Oathbreaker.

So basically “they just built different”.
Dragonborn is literally a Dragon’s soul born in man’s flesh. Asking a Dragonborn to stop using Thu’um in battle would be like asking the sea to stop hurling waves at the coastline. It’d be a bit silly and pointless…

Thu’um is forbidden to be used for “Glory of men”. The voice was particly given to mortals so they could stand a change against dragon tyranny and greybeards use voice to defend themselfs. So yes, you can use voice in the fight for good cause and not boast about it but thank kynareth for this gift.

Let me argue about why the dragonborn’s exceptional nature doesn’t facture into why he’s not judged for this:

Let’s say you are a monk of some sect that is pacifist.
Let’s say that this sect gives you, a gifted initiate, a stick to help you walk up a mountain, or herd cattle.
Let’s say that this sect values the stick, holds the stick in high regard, have the stick as their sacred icon, and ONLY grants this stick to people who have already dedicated themselves to the ways of this pacifist sect.

Let’s also say, that as a member of this sect, you officialy forego all claims to land, all titles, and swear a vow never to engage in the affairs of the politics of men. Never to slay another except for in self defense or in defense of your sect.

Let’s also say that this particular pacifist sect is iconographically depicted in the culture of your homeland as highly honorable, beneficial, deeply religious, and in essence, a symbol of your religion and the religion of your people, alongside being simply a well known cultural landmark.

Now let’s say you, Ulfric Stormcloak, use the stick that the pacifist sect gave you for violence. Let’s say you betray your allegiance to the sect. Let’s say you travel all the way to the capital of your land and murder the current high king (or duel him to death, whichever propaganda piece you prefer to believe), who was elected by the current jarls as the rightful ruler, with said stick. Let’s say you then rally a number of highly politically active bigots to your cause and use the stick to further kill, murder and maim, either for sport, or for your own political gains, all in the name of a doomed independence movement backed by xenophobic goatfuckers squatting in frozen keeps while being generally bigoted to everything that isn’t your race.

Would you be judged for this in a harsh light, yes or no?

Now, would a person who is not part of this pacifist sect, but who owns a stick, be judged on the same grounds as this former pacifist monk?

It doesn’t take a demigod dragonslayer to become an exception to a rule, it only takes an outsider. The player character being dragonborn only serves as a plotpoint for why the greybeards accept to TEACH him further shouts, but it does not break their vow, nor does it imply hypocrisy on their end. Outsiders are by their very definitions, not members of the pacifist sect, and therefore their rules do not apply to them, and certainly not any type of cultural judgement.

The vast majority of ancient thuum users weren’t dragon born. Yes a lot more accident birds could master the way of the voice but they weren’t dragon kin. Dovakin were instruments of war followers of the way of the voice were not. In fact that is the root of a lot of the rivalry between the blades and the windcaller monks. For the blades did used to be dragon born.

They are Dovah, and use their voice as a Dovah does

The greybeards literally answer this, the dragonborns thuum capabilities come from on high and they can use it as they please

Basically it’s just if you don’t like on God’s rules and religion ignore and follow another.

We do not worship for we are what is worshipped.

Lolfric Pansycloack: Nooo! Y u use thu’um as weapon! U hab nuuuu honor!1!1!1

Dovahkiin: Falalalala la Fus Ro Dah!

Because skyrim shares a playerbase with your avarage elementary school, there mystery solved

Why did I get so excited that I already knew this? 😂

I want shouts in the next E.S, but I hope it’s tied to the skill tree, I personally want it to be the final skill for the speech tree, or at the very least tied to it

Bah Way of the Voice is just an excuse because the Nords needs a reason why they lose to the Dunmer and Dwemer in Morrowind. It is said that Jurgen Windcaller ponder the meaning of that defeat and finally come to that conclusion.

It’s probably just Jurgen Windcaller being a prideful failure and is looking for a reason so he is not seen as failure. Now the Nords is just an overglorified northern barbarians who serves as excellent infantry for an empire who worship “the 9 divines” while their true Nord pantheon is barely remembered.

The way of the voice is a philophical way of life created by jurgen , is not a set of rules designed by the gods thats why ulfric is not punished by the gods for using it in combat

I think the correct answer is “I’m the Dragonborn who gon check me

Basically a student of the qay od the voice adheres (or al least should) to the ideology of being a way to worship and respect a god. But the deagonborn that is gifted with this power by Akatosh and has a mision to the world is allowed and should use it as they see fit. Be it combat or however they can to acomplish they goal. Also get on my level I have the sould of a Guck you dragon.

Because dragonborn don’t give a fuck

Jokes on you guys, the whiterun guard says I can’t shout in the streets regardless of who gave me my power.

How can the voice possibly be used for worship

“Why is the dragonborn allowed-”
Who tf is gonna STOP THEM??

And also well… Who’s going to try and stop him? Seriously

On top of the fact that the Dragonborn is also Shezarrine like how the hell are you going to tell the literal manifestation of LORKHAN/SHOR HIMSELF that he can’t use the damn Fus Ro Dah!?!?!?!?!
😂😂😂

Am I the only one that keeps forgetting to use shouts on a playthrough until it’s needed for a challenge or test. Cause i forget a lot.

No, you are still given the gift of the voice by kyne. Anyone can learn the power and the way of the voice. But the dragonborn has akatosh’s gift, the gift of dragon blood. This gift allows the dragonborn to advance in their mastery of the Thu’m way quicker by absorbing the power from slain dragons. In conclusion, the voice is not gifted by akatosh. The dragonblood is the gift from akatosh that makes shouting, and learning shouts easier.

Essentially the Thu’um is the dragonborns birthright to use as they see fit

The dragonborn is literally a dragon in the body of a man.

All dragonborn have dragon blood, they are not pure men and are closer to dragons than they are to man and mer.

It is purely their right to use the thu’um as they see fit, as it is something they are born with, not gifted. Dragonborn are not simply gifted by akatosh. in past times, yes, with saint alessia, but that dragonblood has persisted. All who are born with it are to be considered dragons, and even other dragons respect this.

He isn’t a follower of the way of the voice. Just because LDB is taught to use the thuum by the greybeards doesn’t mean he is one.

Who gonna stop him?

I would have thought it was because the Dragonborn is destined to defeat Alduin in battle.

Then why is it that if we attack the grey beards they proceed to absolutely atomize us with shouts? (Ik it’s probably a gameplay thing but still)

I am 56hours in, what do you mean there are shouts in this game?

its becuz the dragonborn hasa dragon soul insted a normal mortal soul the dragonborn is a dragon by lor in all but body if i remember

Wind caller weakend the nords by change it from a weapon to a prayer

The short answer: because he’s the fucking dragonborn!

who cares

It is actually more involved than that. Dragonborn have appeared throughout tamrielic history and were often, if not always, destined for great things, both good and evil. To hinder a Dragonborn can have massive consequences for the entire world. The graybeards are well aware of these facts, as it was actually them that sent young Tiber Septim out to conquer the world, bringing and until then unknown age of stability that lasted an incredibly long time and only improved over time. Tiber Septim acts as a perfect example as to why mortals and their morals should not put themselves above the divine will of the aedra they worship. Dragon blood is given to mortals at birth even without any of it having been in their bloodline beforehand, meaning there is very clear, very obvious divine intervention. That’s why the graybeards make an exception for the dragonborn. He or she clearly serves a higher purpose.

Because the cooldowns are so long and the effects are so minor that the dragonborn doesn’t even bother most of the time.

Another major part is that the DB uses it most of the time on the battlefield or in rough combat, whereas Ulfric declared an “honorable” duel and whipped it out. If a guy jumps you then it’s completely fine to pull out a gun, but shooting your opponent in a fencing match is generally considered uncool

Bruh it’s in the name it’s his birthright being born with dragons blood rather than mortal and learning it, it’s like saying hey dragons aren’t aloud to use their thuum to fight 😂

It’s kinda dumb that the grey beards teach the way of the voice to people and seriously expect them to never used the thum as a weapon. You can spit ice and fire for Akatosh sake, who wouldn’t use that in a fight?

And the Last Dragonborn’s purpose was to destroy Alduin so that Akatosh can remake him to fulfill his purpose, because Alduin was supposed to be “The World Eater” instead he tried to claim Nirn as his Birthright. But it brings on one of the paradoxes that Paarthurnax says “Those who seek to bring the end may only delay it, those who seto delay it may bring it closer” the question by destroying Alduin, did the Last Dragonborn delay the end by destroying Alduin so Akatosh could remake him, or did he bring it closer.

From how characters describe the fight between ulfric and torygg, it sounds like the people who are angry about it are mostly ticked that during what was supposed to Be an honorable fight between two contenders for the throne, ulfric just whipped out an ancient ability I’m pretty sure the greybeards taught him after they made him swear the oaths not to use it for violence. probably have the same reaction if ulfric whiffed torygg into sovnegard with a 12 gauge lol it’s just kinda super unfair and way unexpected

I… know I’ve seen the lore

It’s a very clear answer that’s given to you within the first hour of the game by Arngier, you’re exempt because you’re Dragonborn simple as that. Fuck Uilfric

The Way of The Voice is one belief, that shouldn’t make it the only belief..

Actually, the Thu’um was taught to the Nords by Paarthurnax, in order to fight and overthrow the Dragon overlords. So yeah, the Thu’um was literally taught to the Nords for war.

It wasn’t until the Nords lost at Red Mountain to the Dunmer, did Jurgen Windcaller create the pacifistic “Way of the Voice”. This aligned with Paarthurnax’s own attempts to control his draconic nature to dominate.

I always figured it was for two possible reasons. Firstly, the Dragonborn is destined to fight Alduin and was given this gift to aid them. The other is because the Dragonvorn isnt just some man or mer, they have a dragons soul so it isnt a weapon or tool that was gifted to them, its part of them. Its like me telling a bird they shouldnt sing because we humans decided you should only sing during certain times. Its not our place to govern the use of their natural ability.

Because he’s the dragonborn? Like, he’s SUPPOSED to use the voice. Who the fuck could even stop him?

The Voice is a gift from Kyne… when Humans use it.

The Dovah’kiin isn’t human. He’s mortal, and he looks like the mortal races, but his soul is that of a dragon. Therefore, he’s subject to the rules of the Dragons, not the rules of Man and Mer.

Short answer : who’s going to stop the dragonborn from doing so?

This video doesn’t say the truth, nor does it base its subject on the context of why ulfric was judged for his uses of the voice.
Jarl Ulfric was in a traditional Nordic duel against High King Torygg, magic wasn’t allowed, the Thu’um is divine magic, he was breaking the sanctity of the duel, thus people called him a murderer. Nobody judged him about using the voice after more than being a false king by the fact that he cheated his place on the throne by using the voice to win the duel, killing High King Torygg.

Dragonborns are mortal with the soul and blood of a dragon, the Thu’um is a language owned by dragons and a blessing of Akatosh. It’s their birth right to use their language as they see fit, nothing more nothing less.

And yes, I’ve seen their pinged comment, I do not care. When you teach something, teach it completly.

They didn’t care when he used the Shout to conquer Markhart for the Nords

man imagine your in ancient skyrim and you drop a sweetroll on some dudes new shoes and he shouts you into the ground 😂

The thuum was given as a weapon against elves and other elmafay beings I know I mispronounced that. But then the Nords abused it leading windcaller to create the way of the voice. However if the Nords desired to use the voice again against their elven oppressors things would most certainly change.

Infinity Break: “It’s because of a tec-”

Dovahkiin: “No, it’s just people are scared.”

Theres about 3 incorrect things here

I always figured Ulfric was judged by the empire (and myself), because Ulfric challenged the king to single combat and used a shout during the fight and depending on who you ask, used it to kill the king. To use the ability to shout in a duel for the throne of Skyrim seems dishonorable, especially when your opponent can’t use it to retaliate.

Effectively, to a lot of people, Ulfric cheated in a duel with the king in order to gain power.

I fucking hate braindead shorts that give you “fun facts” about a game that is literally just something you learn by playing the game.

Who is going to stop him? Might makes right.

Nords even now can use the thu’um but not as well as the Dragonborn because of his dragon soul, but it takes a lot of understanding of the rotmulaag and a deeper understanding behind each word of power. For Kyne to be able to bless the Nords with the capability of using the thu’um they would likely have to be an aspect of Akatosh. I would also like to remind us that Ulfric Stormcloak supposedly used the voice to kill the high king, yet he only received legal repercussion and no repercussions revolving around the thu’um at all. Then again this is just my interpretation given the information that I have and I could be completely wrong and also this basically has nothing to do with the video lol.

Tbh they can kick rocks if I can kill you by holler in at you ima do it

The actual answer is “who’s going to stop me”

The thu’um is the language of the dragon, And when the greybeards learn a shout they have to meditate for years before even learning a singular word, But the DB isn’t held by that philosophy due to them being a dragon trapped within a mortal vessel so its kinda like saying your not allowed to be the DB even though your literally the DB

Does that also explain why you’d be able to use Thu’um even when you choose a race other than Nord?

Basically boils down to one being a religion, and the other intrinsic to the dragons. The thu’um of the dragons is not exactly the same as the way of the voice. Seeing how as the dragonborn is “the soul of a dragon in the body of a mortal”, he does not need to abide by the tenets of the way of the voice, as he is not technically a follower of Kynareth.

Let’s face it; who the hell is going to tell him not to?

Reminder that in lore there are supposed to be Nord legions who are trained in using the thuum in combat, but they decided to retcon it for Skyrim.

Because they can’t stop you. If Greybeards tried to shout the dragonborn into stopping, canonically, he would withstand their attempt, learn the shouts being used at him, then shout back and obliterate them.

Short answer, because the greybeards are bitchless cowards

Real answer: Because nobody can stop them.

That’s like asking why Dragons can use the Thu’um in the fight.

Because Windcaller was a pussy.

I love this fact

Ironically TLD (The last dragonborn) was meant to use the Thu’um on dragons and alduin not people but TLD realised it’s combat assistance after collecting mirmulnir’s soul. If we really must talk about ulfric the idiot waltzed on in declared a trial by combat about an hour later said aaaargh I’m sick of waiting waltzes back into the blue palace and uses (I think ulfric could only really use unrelenting force) the Thu’um on poor little toreg.

I first time playing Skyrim I’ve actually completed everything before seeing the greybeards and didn’t know how to activate any shout till i completed almost everything that pissed me off so much cuz i had this cool power and i didn’t use it intel after playing over 1000 Hour of gameplay

Because we’re Dragons technically.

It wasn’t until Jurgen Windcaller stopped using it for war that it was made to be that way. He WAS a High King of Skyrim.

Lmao, allowed. Like someone is going to stop them, maybe if the nerevarine showed up.

I also feel like it’s practically necessary for him to use it in order to bring down Alduin and what not.

The only one who can make him stop is his mammy when it’s late.
“Son you better stop shouting or I’m going to make stop shouting”
“Ok mam I’m sorry 😞”

Dragonborn: Who gon’ stop me?

the way i always saw it was as dragonborn you are an actor of akatosh my point is who’s really gonna tell you to not too. maybe akatosh but even then why he put you there then, to not raise hell and sit on a mountain screaming curse words in dragon at the sky?

Who’s going to stop us?

I doubt anybody wants to tell him he can’t.

The Dragonborn is a mortal with the soul of a Dragon.

I figured it was because nobody could stop him

“dont use it as a weapon”
*Gives me the ability to shoot fire and rip the soul out of a living creature with just my voice*

it’s kinda in the name “Dragonborn”. it’s literally our birth right.

And who’s that guy who can stop me? What was his name? Oh yeah, Michael Mcdoesn’texist.

The problem is not that Ulfric uses the voice, the problem is that he used the voice in a duel to glorify himself. If he used voice to fight hordes of enemies and dragons like the dragonborn does, there would be no problem.

Yeah, that’s not how it works, Jurgen Windcaller and the Graybeards chose a life of peace, using the Thu’um as a religious tool to keep in touch with the gods. There’s no evidence this is the “right” path. And there’s no evidence that people that use it for war are wrong, after all, you can see many warriors in Sovengard that are users of the voice, and they weren’t judged for it.

Imagine how different Tamriel would be if every person could use and learn the Voice like the Dragonborn

I have no issue with Ulfric using the Voice. The whole “It must be used to praise Kyne” thing was from the Greybeards, it’s their philosophy. The Dragonborn doesn’t have to follow it, nor does Ulfric.

So basically the races of man given the Thu’um are to use it so spread peace while the Dragonborn is the peacekeeper. Kinda like ceremonial swords versus real swords

I would think people didn’t think it was ok for Ulfric to use it because he murdered high king Torygg

Cuz the Dragonborn’s ain’t no bitches, that’s why

Akatosh granted the last dragonborn, dragon blood. The same thing he did with queen Alessia when he formed a pact with her. However the power of the thuum is still a gift of kyne and the dragonborn gets to use it however he sees fits because he is not a decile of the way of the voice and because th efzte of the world tests on his shoulders.

This makes me feel like the dragonborn was sent by akatosh to smite Ulfric for using the Thu’um as a weapon lol

One thing that bothers me the Skyrim doesn’t touch appon at all is, the power vacuum of the civil war, wouldn’t there be a crisis of succession of the Dragonborns return, as he could be the lost true heir to the imperial throne. Just as Martin, Uriel Septim and supposedly all true heirs were dragonborn. Would not the destiny of the Dragonborn be that of Tiber Septim unite the Empire under one banner with the power of the thuum crush all foes against him, set his sights on the Aldmeri Dominion next.